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5 stunning parts of John LaDue's police interview

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On Tuesday, the Minnesota Judicial Branch released the police interview with 17-year-old John LaDue, the teenager accused of plotting to murder his family and attack Waseca Junior High School with explosives. In the recording, LaDue talked about his life at home and school, and made several admissions about the number of casualties he hoped for in the attack.


June 24, 2014: Police interview with John LaDue released
June 20, 2014: 3 charged with aiding Waseca teen in attack plot
June 18, 2014: Father insists son showed 'no signs'
May 18, 2014: Federal agents find dangerous chemicals
May 12, 2014: Adult certification ordered for Waseca teen
May 1, 2014: Notebook reveals plan to murder family, attack school
April 30, 2014: Teen arrested, explosives found on Waseca playground

LaDue spoke calmly of his plans to kill his family and bomb his school after he was arrested, explaining, "Sometime before the end of the school year, my plan was to take a recycling bin from the school and take one of the pressure cookers I made and put it in the hallway and blow it up during passing time.”

As we dig deeper into the 5-hour interview, LaDue's demeanor throughout the entire questioning process is interesting. He is always calm, speaks in a near monotone, and seems to have no feelings whatsoever even when he speaks of his family. Whether that is the real John Ladue or an act for police is impossible to know, and may ultimately be up to a jury to decide.

Even so, throughout the entire ordeal, LaDue is never frustrated. He is polite, but he also presents a portrait of a 17-year-old who appears to be narcissistic, with a need to believe he is superior to others around him. In fact, his alleged plan was to target and kill older students -- and he even slammed Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza for aiming at the young.

"I don't want to be known as like Adam Lanza for shooting kindergartners," LaDue said. "That's just pathetic. Have some dignity, damn it."

The interview makes it clear that LaDue had a certain fascination with mass killings across the country, and he admitted to looking to Eric Harris, one of the killers who attacked Columbine High School. Yet, he also criticized the scale of their attack -- and the Boston Marathon bombers', too.


Although the act of domestic terrorism shook the country and left dozens maimed and injured, LaDue didn't seem satisfied by the mayhem the Boston Marathon bombers were able to achieve. Even so, it was clear he took inspiration from the attack.

"I thought 3 casualties was pretty lame. I wanted 15 with the first bomb and maybe 5 with the second," LaDue said of his ambitions.

"My intentions then, when people were fleeing, would be to detonate while people were fleeing -- just like the Boston bombings -- and blow them up too. Then, my plan was to enter and throw Molotov cocktails and pipe bombs and destroy everyone, and when the SWAT comes, I would destroy myself."


“Before that day, I was planning to dispose of my family too," Ladue said. "They did nothing wrong; I just wanted as many victims as possible."

Perhaps the most chilling detail of the police interview was John LaDue’s statement that “no one knew at all” of his plan -- including his own father, who publicly spoke out to say he did not believe his son would have carried out the plot he detailed in an 180-page notebook.

"He has no idea at all that ... that I'm mentally ill, and he thinks I'm just a good kid 'cause I lie pretty well and persuade him that I'm just ordinary," LaDue said.

In the interview with police, Ladue appeared to think he had a lot of people fooled about who he really is on the inside. At one point, he even seems to believe that he might outsmart the officer interviewing him.


After bluntly telling officers he planned to "destroy" himself in the attack on his school, he went into detail about how -- even unarmed -- he intended to use whatever weapon he could until he was killed.

"I could try to take a glock and see what that could do, but I probably wouldn't get far with that," Ladue said.

The officer interviewing LaDue noticed that the teen had been eyeing his service weapon and told him so, but that didn't seem to stress LaDue. In fact, he responded by saying, "I actually wonder -- is that a 40 cal?" As it turns out, it was.


When looking for why LaDue wanted to kill his own family and classmates, he gave various answers as though the carnage would be a way out of Waseca -- but then he admitted he had fun imagining how he would prove his dominance.

"I felt like I had fun, like I had fun entertaining the thought of actually like, injuring and maiming people and showing people that I am dominant over them," LaDue said.


In many ways, LaDue does not fit the mold that many other attackers have. He proudly insisted he "was not bullied at all" and was not an outcast. Yet, there is one thing he offered as some sort of explanation for his secret plot.

"I have good parents. I live in a good town. I think I'm just mentally ill and nobody has noticed and I've been trying to hide it," LaDue said.

LaDue said that he does not hear voices or hallucinate about anything, but he did ask to speak to a psychiatrist and repeatedly described himself as mentally ill. After 4 hours, he said he thinks he might be a sociopath.

"I don't really have empathy for anyone," LaDue told police. "If someone's sad, I'm not a person whose shoulder you want to cry on because I don't really care about anyone else but me."

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